the idea to me in particular, of cutting the defense budget, 5% of the budget, equally, roughly 5% of gdp, very, very roughly, more like 4%. >> right. >> ehe quali with domestic spending is just insanity, it's suicide. if mr. osama bin laden were still alive, he would like us to be doing this. everyone would like us to be disarming unilaterally and it makes no sense at all. >> adam, i've got to say, mitt romney brought up simpson bowles, even though the question was never asked and acknowledging the question something needs to be done. >> he brought up simpson bowles, and either candidate is discussing the fiscal cliff, there isn't much difference between them. a pox on both their houses. >> it's a bipartisan mistake and problem. i don't disagree with what jerry and ben said. the fiscal cliff is a disaster in the waiting. a low probability that the disaster will come to fruition, the politicians are content to wait until after the election to do with it. >> and break up-- make the point this is bad for the economy. a lot of people talk about the markets. i don't know, if you have the